But WHATEVER YOU DO, dont use FMJ for self defense. Yes, they can, of course, be fired farther, but the design, mass and speed of the bullets are what really determine effective range. Thats a LOL. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. Working range would be 50-70 yards. May be possible to make a single shot but it would be costly. But I also have lever rifles in pistol calibers of 357 and 45 colt. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. Hot and spiced with nutmeg and cinnamon on a cold day kicks ass, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/56/4e/97564e38ab918eae2103ffa40b24f0c1.jpg. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:36 am, Post Max chambering. by bgmkithaca Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:18 pm, Post Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. Ha. Bfh_auto Member Joined: Feb 23, 2016 Messages: 6,502 In single shot rifles or pistols, I would choose the max. My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. Web the.357 maximum was an effort to give you.357 magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. Since that time, many believe that the issues stem from using light-loads consisting of 110 and 125 grain (gr.) This gun has a hardwood stock and forend, case colored receiver, and 22" barrel. There is a lot of muzzle flash with the Maximum. Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. Expecting it back today via UPS, cant wait to put some rounds in it this week. Its so ugly I love it. 38 special. Cloudbuster . The "little but mighty" .357 " Maxie" ! I have a old JM Marlin lever rifle in .357, Its one of those rifles that has been out there and used before I got it. Caveat Emptor. That and you cant find 357 magnum ammunition anywhere. Can we get some more ideas? Considering that there are no problems with this cartridge in single-shot pistols and rifles, it is unfortunate that the revolver problems sullied the reputation of an otherwise fine cartridge. T/Cs Contender pistol was also a natural for this cartridge, and it was a popular chambering. No turnstyle safety on top of the bolt to remove. With straight-walled cartridges, you dont need a dedicated space. It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. A lever gun would be a really fun toy for me. I agree with Dave. This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. Buy .357 Maximum SuperMag 180g Hornady XTP HP 1800 FPS 20 rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 972984640. . We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. Such a great gun I wish theyd never discontinued them. They also make a valid home defense rifle AND a great truck gun, to keep the Karens and Kens from whining ASSAULT RIFLE. I really want to get one in .357 mag. Features Sig Hard casing (2) Additonal 12 Round mag European American Armory, Windicator, Medium Frame, 357 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Steel Frame, Nickel Finish, Rubber Grips, Fixed Sights, 6Rd. This cartridge began the " Magnum era" of handgun ammunition. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. I got a 336BL a couple years ago and I have no complaints. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. Several years back I wanted a light weight all weather stainless steel single shot rifle chambered in 357 magnum, and the Rossi was the answer. Got a lot of positive comments on it. It can really thump that shoulder. Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. Auction (145) Frankly the quality was sinking fast before Remington bought them out, but they went straight off the cliff when they fired all the Marlin workers and took their worn out tooling and put their own Remington workers (with no experience building lever guns) on them. A great reason to explore reloading. Free shipping for many products! The fact that they are very difficult to find, new or used, is a testament of that they are still relative and in high demand. Thats what the saddle ring designs were for. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. If you want to. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post Made in 1988, nickel, no drag marks on cylinder, factory original box and paperwork, like new! Looks like AA 1680 is the top powder choice. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. I might have to take that to the range next time and see what happens. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. I use handguns for everyday carry. I have been wanting one for years now and always seem to miss the boat as they sell out quickly. . Supply and demand. I had only seen photos (prints?) Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:01 pm, Post And if you do it right, .38 Special or .357 Mag is an incredibly cheap round to reload, with brass that lasts forever and makes a fine alternative to .22LR when plinking ammo is hard to find. . You have entered an incorrect email address! Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. At least it can use use the same bullets as my Smiths. I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. To reload the .357, a Lee Loader is all you need, plus a supply of primers, a pound of powder and bullets. Rechambering to bottle neck cartridges with additional for handling and converting extractor for rimless cases, from $205. Many would consider it a good deer cartridge, but when used in a handgun, it would be rather marginal for that purpose. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. Nobody shoots the .357 Max because no manufacturer chambers their firearms for it these days!" I have not seen the .357 atomic but know of the .375 atomic-it is a i.4 in. We show you how. Reloading has nothing to do with it.. And, I AM a Vietnam in-country veteran, Gomer. The pre-lawyer Rossi 92s are nice guns. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. I watched him shoot an elk at about 70 yards once behind the shoulder and one through and had complete penetration on both, elk went 20 yards. Looking for 170-190gr bullet loads and a plinking load for a hard cast GC/cheep jacketed bullet. If the .35 Rem is legal where you're at, and you're wanting to build a bolt-action, I would probably go that route, as brass and ammo is much easier found than .357 Maximum brass and load data. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. The 40-70 Sharps straight can be formed from 405 Winchester cases. All you have to do is search the net for, I survived a center-mass shot from a .357 magnum to see all the supporting evidence you need. You might find a few boxes at the Tulsa world gun show. The action and trigger needed work, so that cost another $125 from my local Gunsmith in Oregon. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? I was favorably impressed with the .357 Max and the spectrum of .357 bullets that would optimize its versatility. bullets have proven to be the best of the revolver type bullets for all applications.. handgun and rifle. Max. by Rusty Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:22 pm, Post While initially offered in .44-40, .32-20 and .38-40 (and discontinued for some time) a new version emerged in 2013 chambered for .357 Magnum/.38 Spl and a hammer block safety for safe carry. Two million signatures needed by Nov 17 to qualify for a 2021 Special Election. Midsouth Shooters can supply you with your pistol and rifle ammunition, as well as all of your shooting and reloading supplies. Going price was 399.they didnt have any..but said they had a 45 Long Colt at a discount 299easy decision. They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. And one 1886 Winchester 45-70 takedown model, ( rare). A 180-grain version was added, but it was also a hollowpoint. Both are top performers. Please try a new zip code and search again. With higher-performance loads, the .357 carbine almost delivers real rifle ballistics. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. I really am not trying to get a caliber war started but, I think the .357 mag is about the perfect handgun round. That it would also make a good field cartridge for hunting small and medium game is obvious. Wear issues in revolvers appeared early. The .357 Maximum was initially chambered in the Ruger Blackhawk in 1983 and was for a time adopted by other handgun manufactures. So without further adiou "Welcome". I Wont be waiting on you to be relevantjust sayin. Some of the smaller single-action companies produced their version. From pressure data with this specific bullet, we knew there were no safety issues with the slightly oversize bullet as along as handloaders used Speer data for the Speer bullet. And you get a couple more rounds in the tube. Even swap. Who knows what the future will bring and if the wife and I will one day move out of this state, but for now we have good jobs, good friends, a good church, no debt, and hope that the current angst against Newsom and the Left in general will bring about some degree of change in November. At that task, it has excelled for more than a century. Dont believe me?? Wow, so many new posts on the 357 Mag rifles. If you start a 140 grain XTP from a 16" .357 carbine at 2000 fps, your retained velocity at 200 will be around 1250- typical handgun muzzle velocity for today's watered-down .357 factory loads. After the hunts are over is the best time to send barrels in for customizing! https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gunsmith-review-wild-west-guns-marlin-rescue-project/, Not a .357, but a Rossi lever. Max. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. If you hand-load long bullets that seat deeply in the case, you may need a longer expander plug to avoid crumpling the case. There were some factory chambered in .357 Remington Maximum over 20 guage. The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. Mine was made in about 2005, for what its worth. Last one he had and probably will get for some time. (Ret.) Why Marlin didnt make a 336 in .357 I will never understand. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! Im sure even more now. Thirdly, in ordinary political/economic times .38 and .357 ammo is plentiful, ubiquitous, and affordable. This round is about the same thing as a 357 Max except for bore diameter. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. It's important to note that when using cast bullets, you will need to use gas checks since the velocities reached with .357 Remington Maximum may cause problems. Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. Save your brass and reload. JWM, I too would love to have pairs of 357 and 44 mags. Winchester Model 1873. Night and day in service and I didnt have to wait over a month. TX residents add 8.25% sales tax. The round barrel is just 17.4 inches, threaded for a suppressor and features a 1:16 rate of twist. I always liked the cowboy combo concept of carbine/sidearm same caliber and own lever actions in .44 mag. Its fine. I would also point out that IHMSA was a handloader's sport. Thanks for your replies. H&R and Savage both chambered the .357 Maximum in single-shot rifles or combo guns. You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. Finding ammo can be tough for any caliber these days, but if youve already got a stash of .38 and .357 for your handguns, youve already got that covered. Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. | Thanks Muddy, 2506, hunter67, shooter7. The Jelly Head Maximum utilizes an extended taper and fluted ports to tighten patterns up to 20 perc OUR STOCK NUMBER:13211 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI..R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 20" CAPACITY: 12+1 FURNITURE: DARK BRAZILIA Uberti 1873 Cattleman II NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550) This pistol is brand new in the box. by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. 30-30 is always a good option. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. The evidently know a 22 rifle or shotgun by sight. Yes I had one.. perry42 Nov 23, 2018 #12 In short order, there was a Ruger Blackhawk Maximum and ammo to go with it.Ruger was not the only party on the Maximum bandwagon. Trying to understand why the only conclusion I can draw is that people think them as old-fashioned and slow. and ring 4 inch plates every time. Trust me. If theyll go ahead and put the new loading gate on it (which I expect they will before long) I think Id probably move it straight to the top of the list. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. )(2009 Note: Some of these loads are from 1996 and in the passing years the powder companies have reduced their maximum loads particularly ones that have been around a long time like Unique. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. .357 Maximum loaded with Our 200g Hollow Point gas checked to produce zero leading even at full speed. A . . The.357 Maximum, formally known as the.357 Remington Maximum or the.357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat.357 SuperMag. In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. Show Only Guns No Tags. 1/ picking up brass at this range is not required, only the reloaders typically pick it up. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. . The 1873 Deluxe Sporting is that classic rifle, dressed to the nines with a color-case hardened finish and checkered pistol grip. My lever is a Winchester in .45 Colt, for which you can not only reload, but you can reload pretty close to double the pressure of a handgun round, as long as you are using a modern rifle, and depending on the weight of the round. I chose not to raid the checking account for a c-note more and have been kicking myself since. This rifle has a ton of modern flair that you may be used to seeing on semi-automatic sporting rifles. This is well within the expansion range of the slightly larger XTP. The Gun That Won The West. Pistol caliber lever action rifles do make sense for benighted states, and are also still a lot of fun for the rest of us as well. Id like to, but my current living situation and potential job changes/living situations dont allow for me to set up an area for reloading. If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. If a Marlin 336 is a candidate for a successful rebarrel and chamber job in order to use 357 Maximum/Supermag cartridges. Hodgdon starting load for the 140 gr. I love Lever action rifles, and own Rossis, Savage 99s, Winchesters , ( 92 and 94s), Marlins, and Henrys, in 357 magnum and 44 Rem Mag. 16.5" threaded barrel (1/2x28). Give a Gift Shipping to your FFL by insured FedEx Ground will be $45. These comments are directed at the people say there is no ammo to buy, or its too expensive. Im glad I was able to get what I needed for the time being. 357 max has one of the best resale records out there. It is my go-to gun for self-defense at home and in my car. JM all day but damn are they pricey if you can find them at all. I am going to start reloading though as JHP rounds for these calibers are expensive and I am apprehensive about using the easily found round nose bullets on a tube magazine gun. Among their improvements was a revision to the receiver for their model of 1894. THROATS SHORTER THAN MINE WILL INCREASE PRESSURES. Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. Ive been looking for a stainless 1894 in 44mag for years. I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. Thompson Center Contender Stainless Steel MGM 357 Maximum 12 Barrel (1:14). Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Please enjoy those guns with your family on my behalf, as I will not be purchasing **anything** in CA in my continuing quest to remain off the CADOJs books. .357 Remington Maximum beats many of the traditional factory loaded "deer cartridges" such as .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. Low supplies and very high demand. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! I would love to have a new Henry Big Boy X in 357 Magnum.. [6] The "Magnum era" began with the .375 H&H rifle cartridge, spreading to handguns with the .357 Magnum. . has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. Ive had a similar experience. im looking to trade for a 357 lever action.. Good luck.hope you brought your best marbles.. Cold hammer-forged barrel results in ultra-precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy and longevity. Reloading is a good alternative if you can get the supplies, but from what I read things like primers are becoming harder to find as well. Til inauguration day and beyond, demand will likely increase. I dont live in big bear country. The .357 Maximum is a stretched .357 Magnum case; its about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. In a handgun .357 is the upper level of my comfort zone. Bingo. Awesome. It was almost daylight and I kept hearing something move around. H110. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post The Henry Big Boy Classic is as close to the original lever gun as it gets without having to look for .44 rimfire. Poppycock; the .357 Magnum is one of the best rounds for personal defense out there. Its a copy of the Winchester 1892 made by Miroku for Browning. Factory .357 Maximum ammo is no longer sold by the big manufacturers, but the folks at Starline offer new brass cases for reloaders. Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? Through the years, the company continued to expand and . Rossi 92 is one of the best purchases Ive ever made. 40-50 Sharps 1 7/8" and the 40-60 Maynard 2.20" can be made by blowing out 303 British or 30-40 Krag cases and cutting to length. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. Click the link to go to the Contact page: If you choose to remove the forend, contact me first so you don't lose parts removing the forend! has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. Its replete with a brass receiver, 20-inch octagonal barrel and buckhorn rear sight, so it has the classic look and feel, but also features a brass bead front sight and 10-round magazine tube. Since MSRP is only $1,069, its Winchesters entry-level lever gunbut its far from entry-level quality. It packs or stows easily and are very difficult to find lately. And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. It would not feed 38 Specials so I reinstalled the original parts and shoot the Maximums by loading them one at a time. can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith? The 125-grain loads have not quite as much muzzle energy as NATO's standard infantry rifle round, the 5.56x45mm. The one that went directly back to gun store was likely 2018 or 2019 but was still new in box. That Blackhawk in .357 Maximum was a very short lived gun. And 9mm , 45 ACP, 40 S&W , 380 Auto and all the rest. Which chamber to choose? Backorder OK. Slip Top 50 Smoke Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. Location. Also, at higher velocities, the bullet is able to realize a flatter trajectory meaning longer shots are possible. Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. Seems to me thats just about the perfect lever-action carbine caliber. Threaded barrel.

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